F-16 Falcon vs F-14 Tomcat Dogfight

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Air Force F16 fighter jet (technically an F16N---denoting it was sold to the Navy---but this aircraft is mainly used by the USAF rather than Navy) vs the F14 Navy Aircraft. Instructors are piloting the F-16, students are in the F-14s. Enjoy =)

Channel: Autos & Vehicles
Uploaded: April 11, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Author: cribster123

Length: 0:05:03
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Tags: USAF F-16 F-14 F14 F16 viper dogfight fighter jet falcon tomcat navy airforce air force

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sergeant137 (Monday 17th of November 2008 06:39:37 PM)
pukaman, I love F-14s as much as anyone... but the F-22 is much better, and all things considered, the F-14 cost too much, and it was becoming obsolete, it had its day. The F-22 is a much better fighter, and anyone in their right mind knows that. Stop trying to argue it!
kosmo177 (Friday 14th of November 2008 12:21:32 PM)
The have certain equipemnt (radar relfecting antennae) which they turn on when they need to be recognized by friendlies. Otherwise they are invisible. It does not all depend, the F-14 would never know what hit him. Seriously, it doesn't stand a change, regardless of range. There was a large excercise some months back where 2 F-22's "killed" around 20 "enemies" IIRC. They F-22's were never detected.
PukaMan (Friday 14th of November 2008 05:51:16 PM)
Except that F-14s are also equipped with a very powerful IRST which would pick up an F-22 easily, and passively (i.e. the Raptor wouldn't know it was being targetted)
kosmo177 (Friday 14th of November 2008 06:07:36 PM)
Not while being outside the F-22's radar range though. And if you're in there you're dead before you know it. So again, no.
PukaMan (Friday 14th of November 2008 06:34:20 PM)
Except that the F-14's APG-71 and the F-22's APG-77 have about the same range, and the Tomcat's IRST matches that.
PukaMan (Friday 14th of November 2008 06:51:05 PM)
oop correction: The APG-71's range is about 220 miles, so it's almost twice that of the F-22's APG-77.
kosmo177 (Saturday 15th of November 2008 01:35:45 AM)
First of all I don't know where you got that the AN/APG-77 has a max range of around 100nm, I believe it is not published but it is reported to have a maximum detection range against a fighter sized target of over 180nm. And it's max range will be even higher. I also don't know where you got that the IRST has the same range as the AN/APG-71, it is reported to be able to ID a 747 at 100nm, for a fighter sized target it will be significantly less (maybe even half of that).
kosmo177 (Saturday 15th of November 2008 01:36:48 AM)
You should also know that stealth does not mean only reduced radar signature, it also means reduced visual and heat signatures. And you should also know that the F-22 also uses an IRST derived from the AN/AAS-42.
PukaMan (Saturday 15th of November 2008 09:51:22 AM)
Jane's states that it's current range is 120-125 miles, with expected upgrades increasing it to 250 miles eventually. Concerning the IRST, that was only concerning my initial statement of the AP-71 eqalling the APG-77's range. And I do believe it has more to do with the heat signature given off by the plane as opposed to the size.
kosmo177 (Saturday 15th of November 2008 03:41:20 PM)
As I said, stealth also means reduced heat signature. As for Jane's, that is not an official source, but even so I couldn't find any estimate of the radar's range there. AFAIK maximum range of the AN/APG-77 has not been officially disclosed. 120nm is extremely low though, even the F-16 which is older and not so much BVR oriented has a radar with a 160nm max range.