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a420truthseeker (Monday 10th of November 2008 01:17:33 PM)

I'm kind of leaning towards the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory now it really makes sense. LMAO!

8elhaj (Wednesday 15th of October 2008 10:45:47 AM)

Great video, i understand u. and i agree people have to se all sides of things to understand them. Peace

JimShadyUK (Sunday 7th of September 2008 05:14:10 PM)

Of course everyone is born atheist. For the umpteenth time, atheism is a LACK OF BELIEF in God. How can you believe in something you've never heard of? For the record, most atheists don't believe there is no God - they have a lack of belief that there is a God. There is a difference if you think about it. Why is it so hard for you to understand that atheism is a lack of belief in God? It's a simple and straighforward definition that doesn't postulate an alternate theory.

8elhaj (Wednesday 15th of October 2008 10:50:23 AM)

To JimShadyUK actually Muslims beleive everybody gets born muslim, if u put a baby by himself for 20 years without outside influance he will have a sense of a higher being that governs everything around him. they beleive that people revert to islam and not convert since they were influanced my people or media to stop believing in One GOD. so ur argument doesnt hold plus there is way we can verify if a baby is born Muslim or Atheist or christian or ignorant. we simply cannot yet, maybe one day

JimShadyUK (Thursday 16th of October 2008 12:29:50 AM)

If you believe everyone is born a Muslim, then that explains why people of other faiths (or no faith) are viewed as legitimate targets - we're all apostates, and we know what the penalty for that is in Islam. Common sense dictates that you can't be born a believer in anything. Muslim belief on the subject is without any foundation - you just believe for dogma's sake, so my argument holds perfectly.

8elhaj (Monday 27th of October 2008 11:15:33 PM)

a guess ur common sense is not same as mine, nor is it the same as 1.5 billion people in the world nor is it the same as many other people talk for ur self man, saying ur 'common ssense' makes perfect sense is arrogant and a perfect example of someone lost in the darkness of his own ignorance. ppeace

JimShadyUK (Tuesday 28th of October 2008 04:38:59 AM)

My common sense does appear to differ from 1.5 billion people in the world - it doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong. You talk about Muslims beliefs, and then you say that there is no way to verify whether babies are born as believers or atheists. I'm saying babies aren't born with beliefs because there hasn't been one single documented case of it happening - and how would you show it anyway? If you've got some way to prove it other than by assertion of faith, I'd love to hear about it.

8elhaj (Thursday 6th of November 2008 10:04:17 PM)

my friend, i just told u that we can not prove either they have a belief or not have one when they are babies. maybe u should be the first one to test that, but i doubt a parent will let isolate their baby for 10 years. i believe what i believe and u believe what u believe. So in the end only in ur death will u be certain about which belief is right and which is wrong, cause logically one has to be wrong and the other right. But waiting till death is probably unwise since it will be too late.

JimShadyUK (Friday 7th of November 2008 12:20:09 AM)

You're in a trickier position than me though. There have been around 10,000 gods worshipped throughout human history. Suppose one of the other ones was responsible for everything? I would tell him I didn't believe in any god because of lack of evidence. You would tell him that not only did you not believe in him, but you actively worshipped another god instead. What's worse - someone who has nothing to do with you, or someone who is active against you? You have far more to lose than I do.

sounynoma (Sunday 7th of September 2008 10:41:03 AM)

There is no belief, you moron.. I could literally kill you now over your ignorance.. I wont continue this discussion because this is getting nowhere